Disturbing Trend

I realize that people of faith were very much involved in the Civil Rights movement, Abolition, women suffrage, and doing away with child labor in this country. People of faith were looking for ways to extend freedom to those being denied those God-given rights.

But today it seems the other way around. Rather than take their marching orders from sound Biblical teachings, too many preachers are being turned into precinct captains and churches are becoming cogs in a political machine advancing the ideology of a favored politician or talking head. Does any one else find this as disturbing as I do?

Walk with authority not anger

We can't pretend to condem them with such stern authority. We who meet on the internet to condem them, we are only playing into human ignorance. This is how wars result, both sides condeming each other, then getting mad that one side hates them. If we present our cases rationaly, and with logic we can only hope they will convert. Just to yell at them, and tell them what their doing wrong that will only further distance them.

When we close our minds our mouths should follow

The Less Than Obvious Lesson Learned From Church Organizing

I too find it disturbing that churches are being used as political organizing grounds. What churches provide is something that communities have lost. No...not beliefs and morals, but places to gather and share information. Looking closer at the phenomenon of large churches one sees that they provide more than just Sunday services...they provide opportunities to play volleyball together, work out in the church gym together.... in short, places for groups to gather and discuss issues. Modern life compartmentalizes us - we need to make special efforts to socialize in our communities. I say we need to build community meeting places...not just organize in our churches. Those that attend religious services are just one portion of our communities and we need to be "organizing" opportunities for all segments of our communities to interact, gain insight into issues, and share diverse viewpoints. Our strength is our diversity and numbers...we need to be certain we are trying to strategies around these characteristics.

"Liberal Bible-thumping" excellent op-ed from NY Times

This is a good read.  I am curious as to the mention of "slashing Medicaid" in the final statement.  Could it be that this writer zeroed in on the current dilemna in MO, or are compassionate conservatives practising this brand of caring and stewardship in other parts of our country?

OPINION |   May 15, 2005
Op-Ed Columnist:  Liberal Bible-Thumping
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Liberals can confront conservative Christians on their own terms.

Even aside from his arguments that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married and that St. Paul was a self-hating gay, the new book by a former Episcopal bishop of Newark is explosive.

John Shelby Spong, the former bishop, tosses a hand grenade into the cultural wars with "The Sins of Scripture," which examines why the Bible - for all its message of love and charity - has often been used through history to oppose democracy and women's rights, to justify slavery and even mass murder.

It's a provocative question, and Bishop Spong approaches it with gusto. His mission, he says, is "to force the Christian Church to face its own terrifying history that so often has been justified by quotations from 'the Scriptures.' "

This book is long overdue, because one of the biggest mistakes liberals have made has been to forfeit battles in which faith plays a crucial role. Religion has always been a central current of American life, and it is becoming more important in politics because of the new Great Awakening unfolding across the United States.

Yet liberals have tended to stay apart from the fray rather than engaging in it. In fact, when conservatives quote from the Bible to make moral points, they tend to quote very selectively. After all, while Leviticus bans gay sex, it also forbids touching anything made of pigskin (is playing football banned?) - and some biblical passages seem not so much morally uplifting as genocidal.

"Can we really worship the God found in the Bible who sent the angel of death across the land of Egypt to murder the firstborn males in every Egyptian household?" Bishop Spong asks. Or what about 1 Samuel 15, in which God is quoted as issuing orders to wipe out all the Amalekites: "Kill both man and woman, child and infant." Hmmm. Tough love, or war crimes? As for the New Testament, Revelation 19:17 has an angel handing out invitations to a divine dinner of "the flesh of all people."

Bishop Spong, who has also taught at Harvard Divinity School, argues that while Christianity historically tried to block advances by women, Jesus himself treated women with unusual dignity and was probably married to Mary Magdalene.

Christianity may have become unfriendly to women's rights partly because, in its early years, it absorbed an antipathy for sexuality from the Neoplatonists. That led to an emphasis on the perpetual virginity of Mary, with some early Christian thinkers even trying to preserve the Virgin Mary's honor by raising the possibility that Jesus had been born through her ear.

The squeamishness about sexuality led the church into such absurdities as a debate about "prelapsarian sex": the question of whether Adam and Eve might have slept together in the Garden of Eden, at least if they had stayed longer. St. Augustine's dour answer was: Maybe, but they wouldn't have enjoyed it. In modern times, this same discomfort with sex has led some conservative Christians to a hatred of gays and a hostility toward condoms, even to fight AIDS.

Bishop Spong particularly denounces preachers who selectively quote Scripture against homosexuality. He also cites various textual reasons for concluding (not very persuasively) that St. Paul was "a frightened gay man condemning other gay people so that he can keep his own homosexuality inside the rigid discipline of his faith."

The bishop also tries to cast doubt on the idea that Judas betrayed Jesus. He notes that the earliest New Testament writings, of Paul and the source known as Q, don't mention a betrayal by Judas. Bishop Spong contends that after the destruction of Jewish Jerusalem in A.D. 70, early Christians curried favor with Roman gentiles by blaming the Crucifixion on Jewish authorities - nurturing two millennia of anti-Semitism that bigots insisted was biblically sanctioned.

Some of the bishop's ideas strike me as more provocative than persuasive, but at least he's engaged in the debate. When liberals take on conservative Christians, it tends to be with insults - by deriding them as jihadists and fleeing the field. That's a mistake. It's entirely possible to honor Christian conservatives for their first-rate humanitarian work treating the sick in Africa or fighting sex trafficking in Asia, and still do battle with them over issues like gay rights.

Liberals can and should confront Bible-thumping preachers on their own terms, for the scriptural emphasis on justice and compassion gives the left plenty of ammunition. After all, the Bible depicts Jesus as healing lepers, not slashing Medicaid.

E-mail: nicholas@nytimes.com

I find this *very* disturbing

I find this *very* disturbing, Mona!  I am an Episcopal deacon in a wealthy suburb of Kansas City...heck, my wife and I are the only Democrats in our subdivision...and I have mentioned in several sermons lately that in our church you will never be told how to vote or who to vote for.  I am so disturbed when Dobson and his ilk profess to speak for all Christians!  I don't see anything in the Gospels about voting for the GOP.  What I read is that His law is love and His Gospel is peace.  When I see what 'compassionate conservatives' are doing to the poor and elderly...all I can do right now is pray for the GOP...and my poor/elderly/less fortunate fellow Missourians.

What disturbs me the most...

...is that what passes for "political Christianity" these days is far too deep into "smiting" and not enough into those 4 books called Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. You don't have to take one hand out of your pocket to count the times in those four books that Jesus got His undies in a bunch...but you'd need a spreadsheet to count the times He healed and blessed and got out among the "cruddy" folks of His time spreading a better way.

For people who claim to be "New Testament" they sure do strike me as more like the Pharisees.

Poor? Smite 'em.

Gender orientation issues? Smite 'em.

Need help? Give 'em a stone instead of a loaf of bread, that'll teach 'em to get on their own two feet. Shoot, for that matter, pour water on their cookin' fire so they can't make any bread.

Problem with big business taking over? Just be a good slave, shut up, and be glad God ain't smitten you yet for thinking such blasphemy.

...and don't forget to repent! Repent repent repent!

disturbing trend comment

Any examples of mainstream protestant religious leaders who are speaking out against the budget cuts and/or attempting to counteract the evangelicals?   For example last week in my bible study the minister  said " We are going to all have to realize that we will all need to make sacrifices if we are to help the poor".  I thought  it was a slight nudge     I am curious as to what other mainstream protestant leaders in predominately white churches are saying about this.  The Catholic, Jewish and African American groups do not seem so timid  and traditionally speak out on issues to help the poor

mainstream chuches

Mary, our church (Methodist) mentioned the Medicaid cuts today, largely after I questioned some comments last Sunday regarding gambling limits legislation.  I've attempted to engage my own minister but so far he has little to say.  I'm not sure why...

We must speak out

I am a pastor, and I'm convinced that all people of faith (Christians and all other people of faith) must speak out against Gov Blunt's cuts.  These cuts hurts those least able to respond...I suspect he is hopeful that they will be so busy trying to keep their heads above water that they won't make any ripples for the political machinery.  It's a disgrace!

Obviously

Obviously it's disturbing, but it's a tool that the Republicans - and some Democrats - have begun to use over the last decade. Instead of casting themselves as what they actually are - the party of Big Business and Wall Street - Republicans have managed to recast themselves as the party of religion and tradition.

It's going to end up costing both the Republicans and the Christian faith a lot in the future. But they probablly won't catch on until it's already happened.

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